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#6895 - 08/16/05 01:41 PM Stop Payment on Cashier's Check
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A client wrote me a cashier's check which was accidentally destroyed in the washer. The bank (in Kansas) insists that I need to have an indemmity bond for the replacement of check. A declaration of loss is not enough. I can not enforce my claim even after 90 days without an indemnity bond. Can they legally do that?

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Edited by Michele Petry (08/30/05 10:05 AM)

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#6896 - 08/16/05 02:45 PM Re: Stop Payment on Cashier's Check
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Yes, This is a normal requiremet. A cashiers check is an item of the bank which it guarantees, The item is good practically forever. It is not unusual for an item reported missing or destroyed to show up months and years later. The bond is to protect the bank from loss. Remember it wasn't the bank that accidently destroyed the check.
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#6897 - 08/16/05 05:17 PM Re: Stop Payment on Cashier's Check
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This is the law in Kansas http://www.kslegislature.org/legsrv-statutes/getStatuteFile.do?number=/84-3-312.html
"Delivery of a declaration of loss is a warranty of the truth" should surfice. I will take them to court.

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#6898 - 08/16/05 11:30 PM Re: Stop Payment on Cashier's Check
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Be aware that court costs could be more than the amount it would cost to provide the indemnity bond. I happen to agree that the bond should not be needed, but you have to pick your battles and court isn't my first choice.

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#6899 - 08/17/05 07:57 AM Re: Stop Payment on Cashier's Check
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The problem is no insurance company would issue such bonds. I have contacted the State Banking Commission. After that there is no other choice. If there is a law that forbids the banks to require the indemnity bond, the bank should be responsible for attorney fees. Banks can not just make up their policies as they want. They are not above the law. Do you know if there is any law that permits banks to require the bond with declaration of loss?

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#6900 - 08/17/05 09:33 AM Re: Stop Payment on Cashier's Check
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Washers don't often completely destroy paper items, they may render them unusable but not completely destroy it to the point it is not recognizable. Are they willing to accept what is left of the item in place of a bond, that way they know the check will not show up again down the road.

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#6901 - 08/17/05 09:55 AM Re: Stop Payment on Cashier's Check
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The check was completely destroyed. The washer went through several loads until I realized that my teenage daughter washed that shirt with the pockets with 3 checks in an envelope.

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#6902 - 08/17/05 11:04 AM Re: Stop Payment on Cashier's Check
John Burnett Administrator Offline
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There is no law of which I am aware that would either permit or not permit a bank to require the bond. I cannot comment on your statement that no insurance company would sell such a bond, except to say I find it a little hard to believe.

I'm sorry to say that you may have to engage an attorney to argue this question with the bank. Just be aware that the attorney may convince the bank that it's wrong, but don't expect to collect your attorney's fees from the bank unless you actually slug this case out in court. I see a Pyrrhic victory.

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#6903 - 08/17/05 04:40 PM Re: Stop Payment on Cashier's Check
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I have contacted my insurance agent who does my car and house insurance and also contacted the insurance company the bank told me to call. I also contacted my bank with which I have the business account. None of them does indemnity bond. If the people with whom I have dealt with does not do indemnity bond, why would any insurance company provide any bond for me?

I am aware of the attorney costs, that's why "frivolous lawsuit" is a misnomer in my opinion. But what else can I do? I will wait for the state banking commision to intervene first of course.

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#6904 - 08/17/05 05:15 PM Re: Stop Payment on Cashier's Check
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The cite you posted also indicates if the item is paid in accordance with the holder in due course section after you receive your money, then you are responsible to repay the bank, or the holder in due course the money. The bank has a right to protect it self should such a situation occur and the bond is a means for them to do so. It also appears you are not a customer of this bank so they may feel it's necessary to require the bond - it may be better settled if the person who purchased the item filed the claim (if they are a customer of the bank, otherwise they to may be asked to post a bond).

Look at it from the bank's perspective - you - a non-customer are claiming a cashier's check - that someone else purchased - has been destroyed and you are wanting to collect the funds - they don't know you (an assumption) - therefore they have reason to believe they need some sort of protection before releasing the funds.

I'm not saying this is the right thing for them to do, but I do think they are within their rights. You may want to contact your client and see if they are willing to file the claim for you. I'm not sure if that would make a difference, but it could be worth a shot.
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